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post 074
So what do I care what happens way down at the Mexican border?
I live in a tiny village in Alaska, you know, that state where the ignorant, uneducated governor lives!
I care because of the significance it means to all of us.
Let me explain, to all those wise southern voters who despise Palin:
Why do you suppose all those Mexicans are fleeing Mexico in mass?
Is it because they all have good paying jobs?
Or because their justice system works well?
Is it because they have such a high lifestyle?
Why is it, as bad as our system has become, they are still coming?
Now ask; Why a line in the sand should make such a difference, one side from the other?
What is so special about a border?
The border, is the line that separates differences;
Different laws, different thought processes, different philosophies, different ideologies. Different powers of authority.
The border is what encompasses the realm of jurisdiction for such differences.
Pick a side of the line, it doesn’t matter, but inside of that line is an entire lifestyle of rules and practice that one must accept. Violate those rules and practices and you face the power of authority to determine the result.
If both sides of the line are quite similar in those differences, then harmony can exist, and the ability to mingle without conflict is much greater. The risk of damage done to the society is minimized, but so is the mass migration, because this side is just as green as that side.
But when the difference is great, the damage to society is also great and so is the desire for the masses to migrate.
The migration is not the significant problem, the damage is.
So how can the damage be minimized? By ensuring all immigrants are willing to adapt to the laws and practices. In this way the society is actually made bigger and stronger by the migration.
The border is the line that authorizes this demand on all those who would cross.
If I knocked on your door and asked if I could come in, you have the knowledge of my presence and the ability to ensure you maintain the authority. I remain in your home in peace so long as I do not disrupt your “ways”.
But with the same me, and the same you, if I was to come at night and sneak through your window, your attitude toward me would be significantly different.
Why?
Because I have breached the submission to your authority by attempting to be there without your knowledge. This alone implies I have intent to breach your “ways” and you are justified to conclude I intend to do unto you, what you would not want done. Whether theft, or murder, or to corrupt your children, there is simply no good reason why I should be there in this way.
Only a fool would say; “Oh it’s you”, and go back to bed! Even if you knew me!
What if I really just wanted a cup of sugar?
By my very breach you would still be a fool to point to the cupboard where the sugar is, and go back to bed. In reason and wisdom you would look at me like I was a mad man, for indeed I would have to be to make entry in such a willful manner.
This is exactly the reason for the Castle Doctrine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine
law on this side of the border that allows you full protection under the law to take the life of anyone entering your home in an unauthorized way.
This is the same reasoning that must now be used at the US / Mexican border.
I recommend the establishment of a ½ mile DMZ along the entire Mexican border,
Anyone without exception caught crossing the border inside this ½ mile DMZ must be shot on site as if it were your own home. Because of America’s failure to deal with this issue earlier while less drastic measures were possible, this now is the only means left to eliminate this destructive invasion. It is the duty of the Federal government to call up the militia, provide for their service, and post them at the US border for this purpose.
IF done swiftly and consistently the loss of life should be extremely minimal before the word gets around and the invasion is completely ended.
No such drastic measures need be taken at the US / Canadian border for the opposite reasons. Our nations are more similar, so no mass illegal immigration and therefore no disruption of society.
So what is the result if the border is eliminated?
By removing the simple line in the sand as it were, the limits of jurisdiction are no longer clear, allowing for a legitimate contest as to what authority actually has power. The migration will primarily move in one direction, from bad to good. For until the cause of the bad is eliminated, few of the good will wish to change.
yet allowing the bad to freely flow into the good will diminish the good, more than enhance the bad. How can we be sure? The proof is in the reality of the 80 mile section of Arizona now posted as too dangerous for entry by the good!
The law of entropy applies here as everywhere; without maintenance, everything decays.
Those fleeing a bad environment illegally are not the type of people to add quality to our society. By unlawful entry they show that they bring with them the very elements they are fleeing, namely; Self-centered, leach style, anarchic, lawlessness, or better said; Survival by corruption.
They avoid our laws, consume our resources, sponge off our handouts, and resist paying their share of taxes, they claim no loyalty to our nation, our laws, or our society.
By any scientific explanation, this is a destructive invasion.
Because our government and our society have both degraded drastically over a reasonably short period of time, the mental differences in thinking between nations has been reduced, while the differences in effect has come at a slower pace. This allows for a very short window of time where the lack of concern appears justified until the deep unalterable damage follows behind.
Another word picture:
Almost regardless of how bad the conditions become in an orphanage, if you allow a child molester to dwell there, the orphanage will not become a better place, and the inhabitants will be irreparably destroyed.
Yet if you regulate who comes in, you can find a great advantage to their presence.
This is not rocket science, this is reason.
Post note:
Don't misunderstand; The flow of illegal nationals into America is not the sole cause of our problems, it is more a by product of our problems.
But just because you have cancer does not mean you should slice your wrists... unless you now intend to die more quickly!
Jeremiah 48 speaks of the desolation of the Moab nation. Change the word Moab to America, and read it again! This is not a misuse of scripture because principles are the same through time and location.
Note especially the first 14 verses which provides the context of verse 10:
"Cursed be he that doeth the work of the LORD deceitfully, and cursed be he that keepeth back his sword from blood."
This is not a verse to promote violence, it is a verse for righteous defense.
This verse says in effect; Doomed is the nation that warps the doctrines of Christ to become weak and defenseless, doomed is the nation that will not fight in war against injustice for their own defense.
Just as Mr. Obama kept back the ships wanting to clean up the BP oil before it reached our shores, so our federal government will not call up the militia willing to clean up our borders.
The destruction to our shores, the businesses, and lives of the people there in Florida are the result of this foolish and evil inaction.
The destruction of our communities through drugs, crime, and loss of national control are the results of the same kind of inaction at our borders.
An invasion is an invasion whether by oil or men. It must be dealt with swiftly and powerfully before the damage is done, the only thing that can be done after the fact, is to live with the long term life changing consequences.
Is Florida still Florida?
I suppose it is, but it is a far less glorious Florida with far less to offer.
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Monday, June 28, 2010
Justice Is No Longer Blind!
post 073
A Dissertation On Illegal Aliens.
This video is so far beyond comprehensible I feel like I am watching a "B" scifi movie!
It shows the Governor of Arizona standing next to a federally posted sign, 80 miles from the Mexican border. The sign warns US citizens of the danger of traveling any further due to the abundance of unlawful behavior.
80 miles of Mexica
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzDlN7VLmXQ
US Constitution Article I section 8
"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect Taxes... to ... provide for the common Defence...
To Provide for calling forth the Militia to ... repel Invasions;..."
Article I section 10
"No state shall ..... engage in War, unless actually invaded..."
Article 4 section 4
"The United States shall guarantee to every state in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion;..."
Bill of Rights Article II
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
So I suppose we should look up Invasion;
Websters Collegiate Dictionary 5th edition 1948
INVASION:
see invade.
1. Act of invading; incursion of an army for conquest or plunder.
2. The incoming, or first attack, of any thing hurtful.
INVADE:
1. To enter for conquest or plunder.
2. To infringe; or encroach on; as, to invade the rights of the people.
3. To spread over injuriously and progressively; as, gangrene invades healthy tissue.
So lets look at this with reason and logic;
Foreign nationals enter into the United States unlawfully, in such volume and to such an extent, that our nation within 80 miles of our border is too dangerous to enter by our people.
If this is not an invasion, please provide what additional factors are missing?
Now in less that a single page, I have laid out the obligation of the Feds to act with diligence at the US/ Mexican border, with the authority to call and pay the militia to do it.
and in the case the Feds are unable or unwilling to perform their obligation, the State has the authority to do ALL that is necessary to stop invasion, INCLUDING DECLARING WAR!
"The most sacred of the duties of a government [is] to do equal and impartial justice to all citizens."
Thomas Jefferson, Note in Destutt de Tracy, 1816
The law in America was created impartial.
We have a statue called “Lady Justice” which represents this important fact.
The elements of this statue that represents our form of Law, is a balancing scale in one hand, a sword in the other, and a blindfold over her eyes.
These important elements of our law are a clear visual explanation of our justice system.
The sword represents the authority and power to punish.
The balancing scale represents judgment is justly determined with equality given to both sides of an issue.
The Blindfold represents impartiality in determining that judgment.
As important as the authority and the equal balance in judgment are, the blindfold is almost more important.
If the law is blind, it cannot alter the balance of the scale due to empathy, or compassion, or bribes, or loyalties, or status, or any other variable which might “tip the scale” to an otherwise unequal judgment.
In America we call this “Blind Justice” which is what each American has a right to expect.
In this way we are all aware of the application expected. The law is clear and definite and just.
This is one powerful element that has made America so honorable among the nations.
* * *
The solution to the problem only becomes complicated when empathy, or compassion, or “favors” take precedence over the law.
This next video is such an example;
It shows what the “war” conditions are like on the “front lines” at the border itself.
What I find amazing is not the conflict, but this officer's apparent imagination that he is actually accomplishing anything. He speaks of the Mexicans willing to “sacrifice” large numbers of people for the success of a few. But just what are they sacrificing?
The Border Guards are not permitted to shoot the invaders, or harm them in anyway.
Even if they are caught, they pay no fine and at worst, endure a short confinement before being sent back to Mexico.
So while our border patrol agents are virtually powerless to inflict any form of consequence to the aliens, they daily are threatened with bodily harm at best, and potential loss of life.
Border problems
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUlhYkJVu0Q
Somehow evaluating the legality of illegal entry, our government spends large sums of time and money attempting to determine the reason for the violation.
Is it drug smuggling?
Is is Human trafficking?
Is it to inflict harm?
Is it looking for a job?
Is is picking wildflowers?
And on and on.
Each of these factors adds a degree of severity to the violation, which must be determined, evaluated, and judged. With each evaluation comes the pleas of woe;
I need the money,
My mom is sick,
A border agent shot my brother,
I lost my job,
I like those flowers.
This is justice with eyes wide open.
And it immediately gets very complicated.
Only in recent years has American's begun to confuse our "Blind Justice" representation, with the Greek goddess Justitia, who never was declared blindfolded.
confused justice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Justice
With this confusion due to ignorance, comes this un-American, European justice, a very different animal all together!
But Blind justice has a clear determination;
Did you cross the border illegally?
If so, Thus and such is the punishment pre-set by the law.
Simple, quick and effective.
"Born in other countries, yet believing you could be happy in this, our laws acknowledge, as they should do, your right to join us in society, conforming, as I doubt not you will do, to our established rules. That these rules shall be as equal as prudential considerations will admit, will certainly be the aim of our legislatures, general and particular."
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Hugh White, May 2, 1801
Where is this equality in the rules today?
* * *
Now lets add yet another factor to our present illegal immigration troubles.
I am not joking.
The man who sits in the seat as President of the United States is very probably an illegal alien.
1) He has failed to provide a lawful birth certificate.
2) Because he maintains his claims to be natural born, he does not possess the proper immigration papers which would at least make him legal.
3) There can be little doubt that Mr. Obama is not only an alien (disallowing him to be the President) but it appears now clear that he is actually an illegal alien himself!
No wonder he is as active to stop the flow of illegal aliens from invading our soil,
as he is in stopping the flow of BP oil from invading our beaches!
A Dissertation On Illegal Aliens.
This video is so far beyond comprehensible I feel like I am watching a "B" scifi movie!
It shows the Governor of Arizona standing next to a federally posted sign, 80 miles from the Mexican border. The sign warns US citizens of the danger of traveling any further due to the abundance of unlawful behavior.
80 miles of Mexica
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzDlN7VLmXQ
US Constitution Article I section 8
"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect Taxes... to ... provide for the common Defence...
To Provide for calling forth the Militia to ... repel Invasions;..."
Article I section 10
"No state shall ..... engage in War, unless actually invaded..."
Article 4 section 4
"The United States shall guarantee to every state in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion;..."
Bill of Rights Article II
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
So I suppose we should look up Invasion;
Websters Collegiate Dictionary 5th edition 1948
INVASION:
see invade.
1. Act of invading; incursion of an army for conquest or plunder.
2. The incoming, or first attack, of any thing hurtful.
INVADE:
1. To enter for conquest or plunder.
2. To infringe; or encroach on; as, to invade the rights of the people.
3. To spread over injuriously and progressively; as, gangrene invades healthy tissue.
So lets look at this with reason and logic;
Foreign nationals enter into the United States unlawfully, in such volume and to such an extent, that our nation within 80 miles of our border is too dangerous to enter by our people.
If this is not an invasion, please provide what additional factors are missing?
Now in less that a single page, I have laid out the obligation of the Feds to act with diligence at the US/ Mexican border, with the authority to call and pay the militia to do it.
and in the case the Feds are unable or unwilling to perform their obligation, the State has the authority to do ALL that is necessary to stop invasion, INCLUDING DECLARING WAR!
"The most sacred of the duties of a government [is] to do equal and impartial justice to all citizens."
Thomas Jefferson, Note in Destutt de Tracy, 1816
The law in America was created impartial.
We have a statue called “Lady Justice” which represents this important fact.
The elements of this statue that represents our form of Law, is a balancing scale in one hand, a sword in the other, and a blindfold over her eyes.
These important elements of our law are a clear visual explanation of our justice system.
The sword represents the authority and power to punish.
The balancing scale represents judgment is justly determined with equality given to both sides of an issue.
The Blindfold represents impartiality in determining that judgment.
As important as the authority and the equal balance in judgment are, the blindfold is almost more important.
If the law is blind, it cannot alter the balance of the scale due to empathy, or compassion, or bribes, or loyalties, or status, or any other variable which might “tip the scale” to an otherwise unequal judgment.
In America we call this “Blind Justice” which is what each American has a right to expect.
In this way we are all aware of the application expected. The law is clear and definite and just.
This is one powerful element that has made America so honorable among the nations.
* * *
The solution to the problem only becomes complicated when empathy, or compassion, or “favors” take precedence over the law.
This next video is such an example;
It shows what the “war” conditions are like on the “front lines” at the border itself.
What I find amazing is not the conflict, but this officer's apparent imagination that he is actually accomplishing anything. He speaks of the Mexicans willing to “sacrifice” large numbers of people for the success of a few. But just what are they sacrificing?
The Border Guards are not permitted to shoot the invaders, or harm them in anyway.
Even if they are caught, they pay no fine and at worst, endure a short confinement before being sent back to Mexico.
So while our border patrol agents are virtually powerless to inflict any form of consequence to the aliens, they daily are threatened with bodily harm at best, and potential loss of life.
Border problems
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUlhYkJVu0Q
Somehow evaluating the legality of illegal entry, our government spends large sums of time and money attempting to determine the reason for the violation.
Is it drug smuggling?
Is is Human trafficking?
Is it to inflict harm?
Is it looking for a job?
Is is picking wildflowers?
And on and on.
Each of these factors adds a degree of severity to the violation, which must be determined, evaluated, and judged. With each evaluation comes the pleas of woe;
I need the money,
My mom is sick,
A border agent shot my brother,
I lost my job,
I like those flowers.
This is justice with eyes wide open.
And it immediately gets very complicated.
Only in recent years has American's begun to confuse our "Blind Justice" representation, with the Greek goddess Justitia, who never was declared blindfolded.
confused justice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Justice
With this confusion due to ignorance, comes this un-American, European justice, a very different animal all together!
But Blind justice has a clear determination;
Did you cross the border illegally?
If so, Thus and such is the punishment pre-set by the law.
Simple, quick and effective.
"Born in other countries, yet believing you could be happy in this, our laws acknowledge, as they should do, your right to join us in society, conforming, as I doubt not you will do, to our established rules. That these rules shall be as equal as prudential considerations will admit, will certainly be the aim of our legislatures, general and particular."
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Hugh White, May 2, 1801
Where is this equality in the rules today?
* * *
Now lets add yet another factor to our present illegal immigration troubles.
I am not joking.
The man who sits in the seat as President of the United States is very probably an illegal alien.
1) He has failed to provide a lawful birth certificate.
2) Because he maintains his claims to be natural born, he does not possess the proper immigration papers which would at least make him legal.
3) There can be little doubt that Mr. Obama is not only an alien (disallowing him to be the President) but it appears now clear that he is actually an illegal alien himself!
No wonder he is as active to stop the flow of illegal aliens from invading our soil,
as he is in stopping the flow of BP oil from invading our beaches!
Sunday, June 27, 2010
What Makes A Nation Christian?
post 072
I am deeply concerned that the man holding the office of President of The United States of America has publicly declared to the world; “We (America) do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation, we consider ourselves a nation of citizens.”
Not a Christian nation
speech in Ankara Turkey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIVd7YT0oWA
He has held these views for some time, as indicated by the same perspective as a senator in this speech of 2006;
“Whatever we once were we are no longer a Christian nation. At least not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim Nation, and a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation and a nation of Non-Believers,
No longer a Christian nation short version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmC3IevZiik&feature=related
long version worth listening to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXcvbnzNIjg&feature=related
Why, of all the policy of this administration to be concerned about, would I choose this one to focus on?
It is not because of the statements alone, or because he has taken upon himself to declare to the world what “we” now believe; Treasonous as such statements are. (more on this later).
I am concerned because he has a very foundational misunderstanding of what it means to be a Christian Nation.
But lets be generous and examine his speeches to understand his perspective in an effort to give him all the benefit of the doubt.
After all, was it not Americans who voted him into office?
Has he not been consistent in his beliefs and views?
Did he not run his campaign on “Change”?
Is he not doing exactly what he said he would do if elected?
Perhaps he is actually right. Maybe we are no longer a Christian nation.
I can easily find support of this by reading the comments posted in reply to these video clips from Youtube, some examples:
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" Article 11, Treaty With Tripoli, 1796.....founding fathers were still Alive....so sad people think we're a christian nation”
“He is absolutely correct. We have never considered ourselves to be a Christian nation - or of any other religion. We have a law that bans the establishment of any official religion.”
These are actually some of the most logical comments in favor of his view.
And further, nearly all comments posted in opposition to Mr. Obama’s view are hopelessly embracing, and presented with clear un-Christlike hatred, which does poorly to defend the idea that America might be a Christian nation.
Listening carefully to these speeches I find a foundational perspective that what makes a Christian nation is a nation inhabited exclusively by Christians.
This flawed understanding then supports such declarations, because indeed we have many peoples, of many religions, inhabiting this great nation.
But is it actually true that a nation is only Christian, when all its people are Christian?
We have no problem understanding that Sudan is a Muslim Nation even though a large segment is Christian.
We have no problem understanding that Turkey is a Muslim Nation even though it is quite “western” in its present state from what it has been in its past.
We have no problem understanding that Israel is a Jewish nation even though they openly accept Arabs and Egyptians, and in fact anyone who chooses, as full citizens living among them. So what actually makes a nation Jewish or Christian or Catholic or Hindu or Muslim?
1) The United States Constitution shows a clear absence of direct religion in its composition.
) And the Bill of Rights, written to; “extend the ground of public confidence in the Government,…”(Preamble) makes as the very first Article, the assurances that Congress was restricted from making laws “respecting an establishment of religion…”
3) The very purpose of the Constitution is found in its preamble, and appears to be missing any direct indication of promoting the Christian religion.
So are these sure proofs that our founders indeed were careful to establish this nation free from religion, as Mr. Obama, and the commenters suggest?
* * *
Having just secured their freedom from the tyrannical King of England, having just escaped the oppression from the Murderous Church of England, Our founders labored greatly to insure they did not create a nation, which would soon return the people to such injuries. They were well learned that governments tend to corruption, and that government established churches tends to even greater corruptions. So the nation they formed was the result of a mighty effort to ensure that power and faith was retained by the governed and not possessed by the government.
So how then can I boldly declare that America was indeed designed and established as a Christian nation?
To answer that, I must ask again the original question; “What makes a nation Christian?”
If a nation is not determined to be Christian simply by the faith of the inhabitants, what other authority could make it so?
Obviously the religion ruling the government would be a clear example, such as all the various nations of Islam.
But America has been very clearly established to intentionally avoid such a state.
We have ruled out the idea that majority determines the religion as Mr. Obama suggests,
We have also rejected the government ruling the church as England did.
And we have rejected the Church ruling the government as Islam does.
I love the genius behind the founders who discovered the elusive 3rd option!
That is a form of Government which can only govern until the governed reject the foundations on which the government was established.
That government was a democratic Republic whose authority for existence was "Nature's God" (1st and 2nd paragraphs, Declaration of Independence)
This was such an illusive ideology that no nation on earth had ever before been established with such a government!
With very little serious investigation it will be found that America was built as an intentionally religious-less form of government, established wholly on the principles of Jesus the Christ found in the Holy Bible. In this way the people were provided great freedoms AND great security, a very rare combination.
How is that possible?
In a very real sense it is practically impossible, yet history shows that it is!
The trick is to first distinguish between religion and faith. Practically; religion is the efforts of man to establish a proper form of worship, while faith is the core values that motivate action.
Our founders were as in favor of providing a form of government which would promote the faith of Christianity, as they were opposed to establishing by law the Christian religion.
The laws of this land were carefully structured to align with the principles of the Christian God, without demanding the Christian religion was followed.
(again please see my 4 part post "Separation of Church and State" for ref.)
Jesus did not demand or require anyone to follow him. And our founders followed that example in writing our laws to carefully maintain this freedom of choice, yet at the same time subject the social laws to following His principles. Not because they wanted to make a Christian nation, but because they wanted a nation to benefit from following His sound recommendations.
The result is a nation which has been better than any other at obeying Christ’s very idea of Christianity; that is a nation of free men, socially at peace with one another by practicing the establishment of Christian principles without establishing the Christian religion.
In this way they kept the Christian faith out of the hands of the government, and kept the government out of the hands of an organized religion, while at the same time subjecting the government and the society to socially advantageous laws established from the Christian faith.
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here." Patrick Henry
Since the foundational laws creating this nation were fundamentally derived from the principles of the Holy Bible, this nation is in fact a Christian nation even though a large number of its inhabitants are now, not of the Christian faith.
These non-Christian inhabitants can enjoy the freedom, peace and security of this nation because of its laws based on Christian values.
Unlike the Islamic Nations whose laws based on Islamic values ensure bondage, fear and oppression to all non-Muslim inhabitants.
Only in this creative way can the nation remain Christian even if the people are not. By its very nature it must remain Christian until the people choose to change the nations very fundamental laws, which are based on Christianity.
(It pains me greatly not to be able to copy whole books here on this subject! I have a great volume of books which faithfully reprint original documents of our founders and have posted at the bottom some titles for your pleasure.)
It was for this reason of the people’s God given right to choose their own religion freely, that our founders ensured our government would not ever establish any religion, “nor prohibit the free exercise thereof”. The government was stripped of any supposed authority to do so.
Yet the inclusion of religious values and especially those of the Christian faith were greatly encouraged by our founders as the only means to maintain a healthy government.
Please see the many references in my 4 part Separation of Church and State trial part 2
http://when-did-reason-die.blogspot.com/2010/01/part-2-of-4-religion-in-government.html
as well as the others.
Mr. Obama has openly purposed to “fundamentally Change America", and the only way to do so is by destroying our nation’s DNA as it were, and replace it with the DNA values of other evil empires and ideology.
Mr. Obama was wrong when he declared America is no longer a Christian nation. By the very DNA of our Declaration of Independence, our Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the foundational laws of Jurisprudence, America is and will remain a Christian nation until these foundations be destroyed.
Although Mr. Obama’s goal is to do just that through “Change”, he has made his declaration prematurely.
we are 5 days away from fundamentally changing America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvJJP9AYgqU
Obama sees Constitution fundamentally flawed short version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11OhmY1obS4
Obama sees Constitution fundamentally flawed full version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxYDnYgQ5MQ
And this from the man who just fired General McCrystal for disparaging remarks about his authorities!
talk show narration of Obama speech, but very good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDUWpLnS63M&feature=related
A mere "nation of citizens" having discarded any legitimate connection to Christianity as Mr. Obama has declared, Has virtually no foundation on which to stand.
As stated by William Penn, “Those people who are not governed by GOD will be ruled by tyrants."
In effect and in truth, by these declarations Mr. Obama has committed treason against the United States Of America by "jerking" her sure foundations from under her feet, Abandoning any responsibility to Natures God, and therefore laying her exposed and helpless before her enemies.
Webster's Collegiate Dictionary 5th edition 1948
TREASON:
1 Now Rare. The betrayal of any trust or confidence; breach of faith.
2 The offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance.
treason against the United States is defined by the Constitution (Art. III, sec. 3) to consist "only in levying war against them,
or in adhering to their enemies, giving aid and comfort to them."
Islam is the self declared enemy of America.
Mr. Obama has on more than one occasion ridiculed the Holy Bible.
He has on numerous occasions quoted the Koran with great respect.
Without the approval of the governed, He has declared "America is not, nor will ever be at war with Islam."
He is very familiar with, and has praised at length Islam, and disdains the values of Christianity.
He has openly made public statements disparaging our constitution, as flawed and irrelevant.
He has committed many unconstitutional acts through our congress.
His bold and clear agenda is the fundamental change of America.
Having shown a fundamental change cannot take place without the utter destruction of the existing nation, There is now a list of clearly treasonous intent by this man.
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This blog is already too long, but a short answer to a legitimate argument is warranted:
Treaty of Tripoli 1796
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1796t.asp
This treaty was made only 20 years after the creation of a fledgling nation.
And that, following a great battle against her former sovereign.
The new nation of America was in great need of the supplies and goods acquired in the Barbary regions, But as is the nature of Islam, the heavy Jizyah taxes and submissions were required.
This treaty was written in Arabic, heavily taxed, and greatly favored the Muslim nations, But at the time America had few options but to comply.
Note this document is strangely missing indication of any signature by anyone of the USA other than Barlow himself appointed by the President.
One must also note the date of the formation of the United States Marine Corps, 1775
The initial and primary purpose of the USMC was, as told in our Marine Corps Song; "From the halls of Montezuma, to the Shores of Tripoli, we will fight our nation's battles, on the land and on the sea..."
Breaking the oppressive hold of the Muslim authority over the trading nations was the job of the USMC.
Therefore siting article 11 of this treaty as evidence America was not created as a Christian nation is folly and uninformed.
Books with a plethora of clear original evidence of the Christian faith, and Christian intent our founders used to create this great nation:
“Celebrate Liberty! Famous Patriotic Speeches & Sermons” David Barton
"The Christian Life And Character Of The Civil Institutions Of The United States" Benjamin F. Morris
"ORIGINAL INTENT The Courts, The Constitution, & Religion" David Barton
"America's God and Country" Encyclopedia of Quotations, William J. Federer
Sergeant & Rawle's Reports, page 394
I am deeply concerned that the man holding the office of President of The United States of America has publicly declared to the world; “We (America) do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation, we consider ourselves a nation of citizens.”
Not a Christian nation
speech in Ankara Turkey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIVd7YT0oWA
He has held these views for some time, as indicated by the same perspective as a senator in this speech of 2006;
“Whatever we once were we are no longer a Christian nation. At least not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim Nation, and a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation and a nation of Non-Believers,
No longer a Christian nation short version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmC3IevZiik&feature=related
long version worth listening to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXcvbnzNIjg&feature=related
Why, of all the policy of this administration to be concerned about, would I choose this one to focus on?
It is not because of the statements alone, or because he has taken upon himself to declare to the world what “we” now believe; Treasonous as such statements are. (more on this later).
I am concerned because he has a very foundational misunderstanding of what it means to be a Christian Nation.
But lets be generous and examine his speeches to understand his perspective in an effort to give him all the benefit of the doubt.
After all, was it not Americans who voted him into office?
Has he not been consistent in his beliefs and views?
Did he not run his campaign on “Change”?
Is he not doing exactly what he said he would do if elected?
Perhaps he is actually right. Maybe we are no longer a Christian nation.
I can easily find support of this by reading the comments posted in reply to these video clips from Youtube, some examples:
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" Article 11, Treaty With Tripoli, 1796.....founding fathers were still Alive....so sad people think we're a christian nation”
“He is absolutely correct. We have never considered ourselves to be a Christian nation - or of any other religion. We have a law that bans the establishment of any official religion.”
These are actually some of the most logical comments in favor of his view.
And further, nearly all comments posted in opposition to Mr. Obama’s view are hopelessly embracing, and presented with clear un-Christlike hatred, which does poorly to defend the idea that America might be a Christian nation.
Listening carefully to these speeches I find a foundational perspective that what makes a Christian nation is a nation inhabited exclusively by Christians.
This flawed understanding then supports such declarations, because indeed we have many peoples, of many religions, inhabiting this great nation.
But is it actually true that a nation is only Christian, when all its people are Christian?
We have no problem understanding that Sudan is a Muslim Nation even though a large segment is Christian.
We have no problem understanding that Turkey is a Muslim Nation even though it is quite “western” in its present state from what it has been in its past.
We have no problem understanding that Israel is a Jewish nation even though they openly accept Arabs and Egyptians, and in fact anyone who chooses, as full citizens living among them. So what actually makes a nation Jewish or Christian or Catholic or Hindu or Muslim?
1) The United States Constitution shows a clear absence of direct religion in its composition.
) And the Bill of Rights, written to; “extend the ground of public confidence in the Government,…”(Preamble) makes as the very first Article, the assurances that Congress was restricted from making laws “respecting an establishment of religion…”
3) The very purpose of the Constitution is found in its preamble, and appears to be missing any direct indication of promoting the Christian religion.
So are these sure proofs that our founders indeed were careful to establish this nation free from religion, as Mr. Obama, and the commenters suggest?
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Having just secured their freedom from the tyrannical King of England, having just escaped the oppression from the Murderous Church of England, Our founders labored greatly to insure they did not create a nation, which would soon return the people to such injuries. They were well learned that governments tend to corruption, and that government established churches tends to even greater corruptions. So the nation they formed was the result of a mighty effort to ensure that power and faith was retained by the governed and not possessed by the government.
So how then can I boldly declare that America was indeed designed and established as a Christian nation?
To answer that, I must ask again the original question; “What makes a nation Christian?”
If a nation is not determined to be Christian simply by the faith of the inhabitants, what other authority could make it so?
Obviously the religion ruling the government would be a clear example, such as all the various nations of Islam.
But America has been very clearly established to intentionally avoid such a state.
We have ruled out the idea that majority determines the religion as Mr. Obama suggests,
We have also rejected the government ruling the church as England did.
And we have rejected the Church ruling the government as Islam does.
I love the genius behind the founders who discovered the elusive 3rd option!
That is a form of Government which can only govern until the governed reject the foundations on which the government was established.
That government was a democratic Republic whose authority for existence was "Nature's God" (1st and 2nd paragraphs, Declaration of Independence)
This was such an illusive ideology that no nation on earth had ever before been established with such a government!
With very little serious investigation it will be found that America was built as an intentionally religious-less form of government, established wholly on the principles of Jesus the Christ found in the Holy Bible. In this way the people were provided great freedoms AND great security, a very rare combination.
How is that possible?
In a very real sense it is practically impossible, yet history shows that it is!
The trick is to first distinguish between religion and faith. Practically; religion is the efforts of man to establish a proper form of worship, while faith is the core values that motivate action.
Our founders were as in favor of providing a form of government which would promote the faith of Christianity, as they were opposed to establishing by law the Christian religion.
The laws of this land were carefully structured to align with the principles of the Christian God, without demanding the Christian religion was followed.
(again please see my 4 part post "Separation of Church and State" for ref.)
Jesus did not demand or require anyone to follow him. And our founders followed that example in writing our laws to carefully maintain this freedom of choice, yet at the same time subject the social laws to following His principles. Not because they wanted to make a Christian nation, but because they wanted a nation to benefit from following His sound recommendations.
The result is a nation which has been better than any other at obeying Christ’s very idea of Christianity; that is a nation of free men, socially at peace with one another by practicing the establishment of Christian principles without establishing the Christian religion.
In this way they kept the Christian faith out of the hands of the government, and kept the government out of the hands of an organized religion, while at the same time subjecting the government and the society to socially advantageous laws established from the Christian faith.
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here." Patrick Henry
Since the foundational laws creating this nation were fundamentally derived from the principles of the Holy Bible, this nation is in fact a Christian nation even though a large number of its inhabitants are now, not of the Christian faith.
These non-Christian inhabitants can enjoy the freedom, peace and security of this nation because of its laws based on Christian values.
Unlike the Islamic Nations whose laws based on Islamic values ensure bondage, fear and oppression to all non-Muslim inhabitants.
Only in this creative way can the nation remain Christian even if the people are not. By its very nature it must remain Christian until the people choose to change the nations very fundamental laws, which are based on Christianity.
(It pains me greatly not to be able to copy whole books here on this subject! I have a great volume of books which faithfully reprint original documents of our founders and have posted at the bottom some titles for your pleasure.)
It was for this reason of the people’s God given right to choose their own religion freely, that our founders ensured our government would not ever establish any religion, “nor prohibit the free exercise thereof”. The government was stripped of any supposed authority to do so.
Yet the inclusion of religious values and especially those of the Christian faith were greatly encouraged by our founders as the only means to maintain a healthy government.
Please see the many references in my 4 part Separation of Church and State trial part 2
http://when-did-reason-die.blogspot.com/2010/01/part-2-of-4-religion-in-government.html
as well as the others.
Mr. Obama has openly purposed to “fundamentally Change America", and the only way to do so is by destroying our nation’s DNA as it were, and replace it with the DNA values of other evil empires and ideology.
Mr. Obama was wrong when he declared America is no longer a Christian nation. By the very DNA of our Declaration of Independence, our Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the foundational laws of Jurisprudence, America is and will remain a Christian nation until these foundations be destroyed.
Although Mr. Obama’s goal is to do just that through “Change”, he has made his declaration prematurely.
we are 5 days away from fundamentally changing America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvJJP9AYgqU
Obama sees Constitution fundamentally flawed short version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11OhmY1obS4
Obama sees Constitution fundamentally flawed full version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxYDnYgQ5MQ
And this from the man who just fired General McCrystal for disparaging remarks about his authorities!
talk show narration of Obama speech, but very good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDUWpLnS63M&feature=related
A mere "nation of citizens" having discarded any legitimate connection to Christianity as Mr. Obama has declared, Has virtually no foundation on which to stand.
As stated by William Penn, “Those people who are not governed by GOD will be ruled by tyrants."
In effect and in truth, by these declarations Mr. Obama has committed treason against the United States Of America by "jerking" her sure foundations from under her feet, Abandoning any responsibility to Natures God, and therefore laying her exposed and helpless before her enemies.
Webster's Collegiate Dictionary 5th edition 1948
TREASON:
1 Now Rare. The betrayal of any trust or confidence; breach of faith.
2 The offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance.
treason against the United States is defined by the Constitution (Art. III, sec. 3) to consist "only in levying war against them,
or in adhering to their enemies, giving aid and comfort to them."
Islam is the self declared enemy of America.
Mr. Obama has on more than one occasion ridiculed the Holy Bible.
He has on numerous occasions quoted the Koran with great respect.
Without the approval of the governed, He has declared "America is not, nor will ever be at war with Islam."
He is very familiar with, and has praised at length Islam, and disdains the values of Christianity.
He has openly made public statements disparaging our constitution, as flawed and irrelevant.
He has committed many unconstitutional acts through our congress.
His bold and clear agenda is the fundamental change of America.
Having shown a fundamental change cannot take place without the utter destruction of the existing nation, There is now a list of clearly treasonous intent by this man.
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This blog is already too long, but a short answer to a legitimate argument is warranted:
Treaty of Tripoli 1796
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1796t.asp
This treaty was made only 20 years after the creation of a fledgling nation.
And that, following a great battle against her former sovereign.
The new nation of America was in great need of the supplies and goods acquired in the Barbary regions, But as is the nature of Islam, the heavy Jizyah taxes and submissions were required.
This treaty was written in Arabic, heavily taxed, and greatly favored the Muslim nations, But at the time America had few options but to comply.
Note this document is strangely missing indication of any signature by anyone of the USA other than Barlow himself appointed by the President.
One must also note the date of the formation of the United States Marine Corps, 1775
The initial and primary purpose of the USMC was, as told in our Marine Corps Song; "From the halls of Montezuma, to the Shores of Tripoli, we will fight our nation's battles, on the land and on the sea..."
Breaking the oppressive hold of the Muslim authority over the trading nations was the job of the USMC.
Therefore siting article 11 of this treaty as evidence America was not created as a Christian nation is folly and uninformed.
Books with a plethora of clear original evidence of the Christian faith, and Christian intent our founders used to create this great nation:
“Celebrate Liberty! Famous Patriotic Speeches & Sermons” David Barton
"The Christian Life And Character Of The Civil Institutions Of The United States" Benjamin F. Morris
"ORIGINAL INTENT The Courts, The Constitution, & Religion" David Barton
"America's God and Country" Encyclopedia of Quotations, William J. Federer
Sergeant & Rawle's Reports, page 394
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