About Giants

Post 262
(re-read Genesis 6:1-7)

“There were giants (5303 nephiyl or nephil) in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men…” Genesis 6:4a.

This KJV English translation “giants” suggests that these nephil were men of great stature and was most probably used here because Numbers 13:25-33 clearly ties these two concepts together though in a time long removed from the days of Noah:

“And they (the Exodus spies) returned from searching of the (promised) land after forty days…We be not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we…all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature. And there we saw the giants (5303 nephil), the sons of Anak, which come of the giants (5303): and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight” Numbers 13:25, 31,32b,33.

The archeological evidence tends to agree, both with unexplainably huge stones of ancient construction in those regions, as well as excavated skeletons of men so large it defies the mind to accept it even with the evidence lying there before ones eyes…. even without the additional doubts now cast on the photographic evidences (*1).
But what seems to boldly shout; “WAIT A SECOND!” in this passage, is always overlooked by the growing number of eager preachers regarding the Nephilim as fallen angels and their resulting giant hybrid children;
How did the Giants survive the flood of Noah?

Did God fail in his efforts to cleanse the earth as he intended (v.7)? Did some of the giants actually survive the flood of judgment to continue even up to the time when the Hebrews conquered the Promised Land many hundreds of years later (*2)? Since the angels that took human wives were locked up as Jude 6 and II Peter 2:4 declare, we would have to come to this conclusion if the giants were the result of the angel’s “strange flesh” fornication; The giants had to have continued from before the flood.
But this is not scripturally possible, as sin never escapes God’s judgment without payment. EVER. To believe so is to believe that Jesus sacrificial death is not the only way of escape (John 4:25-26+14:6), so sacrifice is not necessary for atonement (Exodus 29:36-42), and there is another means other than blood to deliver from the judgment of sin (Hebrews 9:22), and therefore there is an element of darkness in God after all (I John 1:5), who lets some judged wickedness pass unaccounted for. To believe that some of the condemned escaped the flood of judgment, other than those who found grace and were so saved by the representational ark (Matthew 24:39), is to abandon the faith entirely and bastardize any remaining elements clung to. No, the giants in the land of Palestine were not of the demonic hybrids that occurred before the Flood, and no such additional “strange flesh” breeding with angels was recorded or noted as going on after the flood.
So where did these giants come from?
Abraham sojourned in that very land for quite some time, even among the Amorites themselves (Genesis 14:13), yet he nor any of his children ever indicated that they ran into any giants or even men of great stature for that matter (Genesis 48:21-22), so it seems apparent that the Amorites must have “become” giants in Palestine (Canaan) after Abraham died and Jacob’s family left for Egypt on their 400 year rabbit-trail (Genesis 15:13-14) but before the Exodus Hebrews returned (Exodus 3:7-8), which was a period of exactly 430 years (Exodus 12:41) plus about 11 months to get there and see giants (Numbers 10:11 minus Exodus 19:1=Numbers 13:17).
So how did the Amorites become giants in 431 years?

Like Moses’ Exodus people on both sides of the Jordan (Joshua 13:12, Deuteronomy 1:20-28,3:13), the people of Esau also faced giants when they conquered their own land earlier (Deuteronomy 2:9-12), as did the children of Lot (Deuteronomy 2:19-22). It seems there were Giants “everywhere” at that time, who apparently were killed off by the wars and conquests before Joshua’s people arrived in Palestine to conquer the last of them (Joshua 12:4,15:8,18:16, Deuteronomy 3:11-13), but struggled and failed to finish them off (Joshua 17:14-18). Some time later King David ran into a few of his own, now famous by the story of David and Goliath of Gath (I Samuel 17:4-8,23-24,) as well as Goliaths four brothers (II Samuel 21:15-22, I Chronicles 20:4-8), presumably why David originally collected 5 stones from the brook when he fought Goliath. The thing is, in these narrations describing these last giants, they are always said to be “the children of the giant (7497 rapha)”. So why not giant (nephil)?

Giant 7497 rapha; or raphah; from 7495 in the sense of invigorating; a giant:-- giant, Rapha, Rephaim(-s). See also 1051.
7495 rapha; a primitive root; properly to mend (by stitching), i.e. (figuratively) to cure:-- cure, (cause to) heal, physician, repair, x thoroughly, make whole.
1051 Beyth Rapha; from 1004 and 7497; house of (the) giant; Beth-Rapha, an Israelite:-- Beth-rapha.

If you will remember in post 260 we discussed idolatry, which seemed to source from the same 7495 rapha.

Idolatry 8655 teraphiym; plural perhaps from 7495; a healer; Teraphim (singular or plural) a family idol:-- idols (-atry), images, teraphim.

It is not hard to see the possibility that this invigorating healer was Satan’s cure for the Jews who were coming back in a declared 400 years to take the land. I propose that this last patriarchal giant was viewed as someone quite special. His sons were not called giants (rapha), but he was. He was the local rapha as their last hope and possibility of restoring the giants lest they be completely wiped out and the land given over to the Hebrews. He was THE Giant and his sons were the last pitiful hope of the lineage, called the sons of the Giant (II Samuel 21:16).

I Chronicles 20:6 seems to make clear that at least one particular son of THE Giant was perhaps not a giant himself but just a “man of great stature” with some noticeable birth defects (six fingers and toes on each limb). Again this suggests that although THE Giant’s sons were very large and even giants themselves (note: Goliath) they just didn’t measure up to their father, in more ways than one.
Now remember, this last great giant in King David’s day was the last of those numerous giants that the Exodus people slew long before when they took the land. Those guys were really, really huge, invigorating men that made Goliath and his brothers hardly noteworthy as giants in comparison, but don’t imagine that means Goliath was a pushover! THE Giant of king David’s day was the last of those earlier “much greater than Goliath” giants.

Our Numbers 13 passage above tells us who these Giants were descended from; they were the sons of Anak, himself a descendent of the line of giants, and not just an oddity. And the word giants/nephil, as the Hebrew spies themselves used it, actually meant; men even larger than the average “men of great stature” that filled all the land, which in further describing what they meant, said they seemed to themselves, as well as to the giants, as if the Hebrews were grasshoppers. Nephil is in fact properly translated as giants and really does mean extremely large men, larger than even unusually large men of great stature… but it also has a far darker foundation than simply “a really big man” as we have already started to discover. So again;
Where did the nephil giants come from if not from the pre-flood fallen angels?
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Who was Anak?

Anak 6061 anaq; the same as 6060; Anak, a Canaanite:-- Anak.

Well that doesn’t help much, who were the Canaanites?

“And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the father of Canaan” Genesis 9:18.

Genesis 9:18 makes very clear that Canaan is to be specifically and unusually noted by his inclusion into this short foundational lineage but does not explain why, though we understand Canaan is the Land of Promise that the whole story is centered around:
Later, Genesis 10:1 begins the normally expected lineage tree of Noah’s three sons; “Shem, Ham, and Japheth” and verse 6 tells us that Canaan was one of four sons of Ham: “Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan”. Obviously some time has lapsed. So why did 9:18 select out only the one son of four sons of one of the three sons of Noah to include in that very short foundational pedigree? What is so special about Canaan?
Verses 15-18 tell us that Canaan had a mess of kids and people groups that “spread abroad”, and verse 19 shows Gaza among the several identified borders of the people group retaining the name Canaanites. The other locations named are far less familiar to our ears today but positively identify the whole land of Israel as the homeland of Canaan. Since God promised Abraham that his children would be given all the land of Canaan as their perpetual home (Genesis 12:5-7+ 17:8, Deuteronomy 34:1-4a), we see the importance of identifying Canaan specifically, and through investigation can then learn why Canaan was to be utterly destroyed and their land forfeited (*3). The giants of Anak were of the more than large Canaanites inhabiting the land long after the flood event.
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So what did God have against the Canaanites?
I’m not going to just spill the reason of this first cryptic scriptural connection for the same reason the scriptures masked it, but it clearly is important to Canaan’s doom:

“And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without…And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant” Genesis 9:22,24-27.

So what did Noah’s son Ham actually do unto his father? He made public his father’s condition. But bear with me as we consider that Ham’s son; Canaan’s children, eventually became giants and were utterly wiped out at God’s command and their land taken. The shocking answer of “why” should make itself evident in time….after the surface answer is quietly discovered.
What I find strange at this point in the narration is that, without explanation, only Canaan among his three other brothers is cursed because of what Ham had done unto Noah his father. Even in blessing his other two sons Noah does not curse Ham but just one of his four sons. This is very curious.
Looking carefully at the passage we note that Ham is not actually Noah’s younger son but rather the middle son, and by the immediate curse of Canaan we remember that there is no word for grandson in the original text and so we can conjecture that by the inclusion of Cannan into the earlier short-list of Noah’s sons, this verse is speaking specifically of Canaan as Noah’s younger son and not Ham. SO, what specifically did Canaan do to Noah after his father Ham made known Noah’s condition? The scriptures don’t directly say.

Skipping ahead several generations, we are told that God had a long-range plan for the destruction of Canaan (Genesis 15:16) as well as the related long-range plan for the blessing of Abraham (Genesis 15:13-14), which just so happened to coincide nicely unrelated so to speak.

“But in the fourth generation they (the Hebrews) shall come hither again (to Canaan): for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full” Genesis 15:16.

Amorites 567 Emoriy; probably a patronymic from an unused name derived from 559 in the sense of publicity, i.e. prominence; thus, a mountaineer; an Emorite, one of the Canaanitish tribes:-- Amorite. (*4)

I propose by the definition that the iniquity of the Canaanite Amorites is a public display in proud glory of their unusual high reaching wickedness. God was patiently waiting for them to fill up their iniquity that would be counted worthy of utter destruction and thereby forfeit their land to the Hebrews (Exodus 23:23-24,27-33). God, knowing all things, knew it would take them 400 years after he confirmed the promise to Jacob (Genesis 46:2-4). In the waiting, God sent the Hebrews to Egypt where they would be tried in the fire of oppression in our allegorical preparation of entering into the Promised Land just as God foretold long before (Genesis 15:13-14 =Type Revelation 2:10, II Timothy 3:12).

So what was the iniquity of the Amorites specifically? Again we are not told directly, we only know that it was greater; more publicly prominent than other nations by the very meaning of the name “Amorite”. We can only begin to get the magnitude of their iniquity when we note the specific sins of the other nations that God did not destroy in this way. This must have been some pretty full iniquity indeed, and we see yet another consideration of probable cause by the Jude 6-7/II Peter 2:4-6/Romans 1:26-27 intentionally connected destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, specifically identified neighbors to the Canaanites (Genesis 10:19). Sodom and the surrounding area was specifically destroyed for the iniquity of the sin that got its name from Sodom and is specifically verse against verse connected by Jude and Peter and Paul to the sins of the sons of God in the days of Noah.

It was not Ham that was so greatly cursed by Noah and then by God, it was Canaan. The logic is because if Ham was the guilty party and so cursed, then his other three sons not participating in the event of question must be cursed too. No, it was Canaan’s sin to bear though it was Ham who apparently made the opportunity known to him. When Moses awoke he knew what was done was done by Cannan, because Canaan’s nature had long shown that propensity. Canaan was well on his way to filling up his iniquity only a single generation after the flood, so why did it take so long to reach its limit?That is the million-dollar question! but apparently the sin is not the sole definition of that limit; it takes the foundational iniquity to fill that judgment (Leviticus 18:29, Ezekiel 18:4,20) until it reaches it apex of Amorite shameless.
We are beginning to see that the physical sin is but an allegory of the iniquity of our soul. The flesh is just a temporal image of the eternal soul. Breeding with angels, twisted desires, constantly violent, or becoming nephil/giants, are all just physical representations of our unseen iniquity. Fix the iniquity and the representation simply changes as a result, just like combing your hair changes the image in the mirror (James 1:23-25) but a dirty mirror makes the job harder (I Corinthians 13:12).
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How Did They Get To Be Giants?
IF all of humanity was destroyed at least in part because the angels were breeding with women and thereby corrupting the children’s DNA (except for Noah’s, identified as perfect; Genesis 6:8-9), and the offending angels themselves were chained in darkness awaiting judgment, then where did the giants come from after the flood?
The question itself should be proof enough that the giants were not the result of this hybrid condition before the flood. There was another cause. But don’t be confused to think then that the angels were not breeding with nephil women and so also producing giant offspring with additional demonic natures. I am proposing the idea that whatever made those daughters so sexually irresistible was the same thing that made the men giants, and it was not the angels involvement (I didn’t say demons), though the subsequent breeding of angels with nephil women produced the mighty men of renown both of great stature and half-breed angels. These hybrid offspring were indeed called mighty men but not nephil. It was mankind himself who had become so nephilized all on their own; the angels just rode on that coattail!
Being actual giants obviously lends to the hybrid’s status as “Men of Renown” able to remain legend for many hundreds of years, but don’t miss that the word nephil suggests no such thing directly. The root of nephil is naphal meaning “fallen ones” (example: II Chronicles 29:9). That comfortably encompasses both the actual declared “more fallen” (nephil) men and women than their Ademic human ancestors, as well as perhaps the “fallen” (not declared nephil or naphal) angels; the combination perhaps being the doubly accurate meaning of the Nephilim by happen chance being of great stature, but this is not actually the meaning or intent of the passage.

What I find interesting in Genesis 6:4 is the strange additional bit; “…and also after that…” in referencing giants. The awkward inclusion of v.3 between seemingly redundant descriptions of angelic involvement, tells us that there is a noticeable distinction of giants “before vs. after” the angels got involved. Verse 4 continues by describing the distinction with; “also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them…” The awkwardness of the passage is because we assume the same thing is unnecessarily repeated twice before and after God’s v.3 proclamation of displeasure, but it makes perfect sense if we understand the before-and-after-notes speak of distinctions between them: Yes, the angels were clearly involved both before and after God made his dissatisfaction known, so what distinction can be made?

By searching for the distinction we see verse 4 specifically declares these giants to have existed both before and after the fallen angels produced children through their human wives, so we backtrack to find the difference of “before” and we see that though the angels cohabitated with their new wives in v.2 before God made his v.3 declaration, no offspring is mentioned as in the “after” of v.4. It’s clear that God was expressing his disfavor before any children were born to the angels and while there were already giants in the earth. This point seems to be overlooked as trivial when the growing number of scholars now recognizing this whole interesting concept of demonic hybrids sloppily assume it was the angelic interbreeding that created the nephil/giants. The scriptures seem clear to say this is not so simple as that.
I have shown the beginning support that suggests it took the nephilization of mankind to be able to combine with the sons of God to produce the both physically and spiritually ultimate Men of Renown that became legendary as pre-Greek Gods, even more than the mere giants. I propose that without mankind first departing from God by significant degree (naphal), the angels could not have interbred with the women, by force or by consent (*5), and in fact v.2 suggests there was an undefined period when breeding for pleasure was going on without offspring, which was enough for God to make his v.3 complaint.

Why am I dragging this out to such extent? Because we have arrived at the place in time and events when this scriptural warning applies. It wouldn’t be in the scripture if we would never return to fulfill its Type, I am declaring we have now arrived, not so much in the breeding with angels part, but in the pre-nephilization of humanity that leads to it. Some time before there are angelic offspring God voices his declaration that it will not be allowed to continue much longer. That point is the seemingly “approved unions” with angels through “legitimate” marriage as a good and honorable thing, at the same time there are nephil/giants on the earth. What we must do, before it’s too late, is to figure out just how we will fulfill this Type in our particular temporal age, and more importantly what we are doing to bring it on. I hope to later address this topic of “how” in great amazing detail (*6), but first let’s more completely explore this crazy breeding with angels theory to be sure we are on the right track.
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(*1) Hoax or Real?
With the electronic age that provides ready access to huge volumes of information and knowledge also comes the even greater volume of digital hoaxes and misinformation. Humanity seems to be quick to imitate anything strange just as did the Pharaoh’s magicians before Moses (Exodus 7:11). The presentation of a successful imitation negates the real thing by introducing valid reason to doubt. Such is the case with aliens.
Because this topic is so unnatural to our perceptions, it takes very little provided reason to doubt in order to utterly reject these declarations of scripture. Among the many real photos of real giant skeletons there are the imitations hoaxes and the Snopes naysayers that invent hoaxes, casting doubts on the real and shocking evidences. It is for this reason that we should not consume huge volumes of time collecting “proof” when the proofs can be so easily discredited whether by honesty or treachery. There is only one single source worthy of our unflinching trust and that is the unerring Word of God. Having established the fact of Giants there, we can expect to find true evidence that supports it.

(*2) Timeline From Noah to Entering the Promised Land: (http://www.enlightener.org/TimeTable.htm)

(*3) Failed to Succeed:
Because the conquering Hebrews did not complete their command of God and failed to destroy three specific regions of the Canaanites, the giants had remaining seed and David later faced Goliath and his men faced Goliaths four brothers, and the Jews continue to be plagued by the spirit of those same three areas these thousands of years later. The Arabs now contesting possession of Gaza, the Jordanians now contesting possession of Jerusalem, and the Syrians now contesting the Golan Heights are not of the descendants of these Canaanites. In fact Palestine and Jordan were not even nations until created fictitiously after 1948 when Israel became an official nation of that very land now disputed. No, this is a spiritual issue and the demonic forces that were never driven out of those areas remain entrenched there today. This is why logic and reason will never prevail with these most recent human pawns of the Dark Ones who inhabit that soil. But again, the giants are gone, and the fallen angels that took human wives are locked up, so these Dark Ones are not those angels but others; they are the wolves that drove belle back to the Beast.
We still have to look elsewhere for the origin of the giants.

(*4) Amorites vs. Amalekites:
Don’t confuse the Amorite (567) sons of Canaan, with the Amalekite (6002) sons of Esau, also dwelling alongside the Canaanites in the land, which the scriptures are very clear to keep their identities separate (Genesis 15:21, Numbers 13:29,14:25,43,45) because their destructions are for different specific reasons and times and means that we will not get into here.

(*5) The right conditions for sex with angels:
Incubus and succubus are today’s verbiage for such things claimed to be done on rare occasion but never yet documented as true. What was once relegated as the sick imagination of the twisted, became understood as plausible to dedicated followers of Satan, then attributed to ignorant beguiled women trapped in general occult, and now becoming eagerly investigated by curious girls of common society through books and movies of entertainment. Our daughters must be sufficiently nephilized to follow through with the excitement of fanciful sexual imagination once they experience it becoming actually real. Incubus and Succubus are not the angels, but the demons that prepare the way. I don’t see that day very far off as Sodomy has already encroached into our reality as acceptable thinking, and thereby preparing our thoughts for that eventual end. The walls of resistance are crumbling and the iniquity of our souls is growing quickly. Offspring is still a few steps away and not yet a consideration in their sexual desires. First wives, then Children. Right now we’re just working up to girl-friends.

(*6) The Mystery Is Not The Beast: a collection yet to be published.

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